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[rocknload]

I don't mean to sound wanky or anything, but I'm starting to get sick of women being graphically murdered on Supernatural. The show just wasn't this violent in the first and second seasons. Sure, there was blood, but the dude from "Home" getting his hand getting stuck in the garbage disposal was horror movie corny violence; a close-up a teenage girl being drowned in a toilet? It feels different, and I don't like it.

That said, "Criss Angel is a Douchebag" and "After School Special" were better episodes than I've seen in a while.

Comments

[immelmanturn.livejournal.com]

hasdlkfj they did the garbage disposal thing?

I hate the garbage disposal thing. Hate hate hate.

[rocknload.livejournal.com]

They did! I didn't mind; it was telegraphed a mile away and it was kind of funny!

[immelmanturn.livejournal.com]

Why does everyone go for the garbage disposal. Whyyyyy.


...wait, how do you even make that FUNNY?

[rocknload.livejournal.com]

It's easy, and everyone has it! Thus, it freaks people out.

... Well, some people find that kind of thing ... funny.

[paella]

If you see someone stick someone's hand in a kitchen appliance and then watch said hand be ground up into bloody bits, you try not laughing.

[paella]

Actually, I think they've done it a few times now? In different episodes and different ways, regardless.

[rocknload.livejournal.com]

It was a Cuisinart in the episode before last! That was close enough.

[paella]

That I thought was pretty funny.

[paella]

I honestly don't mind about them brutally killing people in Supernatural anymore, honestly. I'm pretty used to gore stuff, even if it makes me squick every now and then if it's just ridiculous. I will agree they really have been stepping up the gore though, wtf. Didn't use to be so B horror movie in that regard.

[rocknload.livejournal.com]

I'm not a fan of graphic violence—I mean, I like zombie movies, but to me there's a difference between lol gore and like, violence with a kind of squicky intent, you know? But maybe that's just me. But one thing that bothers me is that a lot of SPN fans, whenever violence in an episode, are all, "Yes! This is what the old-school Supernatural was like!" And I'm like wtf it wasn't like that at all.

[paella]

Well, I'm not fan of it, I'll say that. But I prefer the gore stuff over physiological horror or a lot of supernatural horror (lulz), since that stuff actually scares me. Gore just makes me go "whatever" usually, so. Zombie movies are a very big exception to that, ugh.

And, seriously? The original SPN episodes were kinda soft pedal compared to the recent episodes. Lately they've been really overdoing it a lot.

[rocknload.livejournal.com]

Yeah, whenever I see that, it's like what? But, heh, the only time Supernatural has ever scared me was when I watched the entire first season back to back, then had to walk around an apartment complex alone at night. I was very >____>.

[pretzelcoatl.livejournal.com]

It might be that there's a prevailing attitude right now that it's even more horrifying that a woman gets killed in a graphic manner than if a man gets killed in a graphic manner, which generates more shock. The problem with this is it of course becomes kind of a crutch, and just makes things look lazy and, worse, really sleazy. It's kind of like how people are like "Drama? How about a rape scene!"

[paella]

Huh, yeah, that does make sense. It's not very fair in terms of characters and plot, but. Eh, does make sense. They should fix that.

[pretzelcoatl.livejournal.com]

*docks one point off Supernatural on the List of TV Shows I Want to Watch*

[rocknload.livejournal.com]

It has good points! A lot of good points. It's just, ah, not the most female friendly show on the air right now.

[pretzelcoatl.livejournal.com]

That's what I've gathered from other people! Which is sad because I saw one episode in the first (second?) season, the only one I saw, and I thought the middle-aged woman character seemed cool!

[pretzelcoatl.livejournal.com]

Maybe I should compare it to Heroes in terms of female unfriendliness, though!

[curseangel.livejournal.com]

Ugh, I know what you mean. :\ I've been spending an increasing amount of time shielding my eyes and telling my friend "tell me when it's over!" while watching lately. (...then again, this applies to the non-graphic scenes as well *snerk*)

While I don't think Supernatural was really misogynistic in the beginning* (the first two seasons, anyway), I do think it's been getting a lot worse. I won't go into all my thoughts on that, since they go into the realm of "stuff that will cause wank", but yeah.

* my joke about being able to tell who was going to live or die based on hair color notwithstanding.

[rocknload.livejournal.com]

I guess some people are into that, but I'm really not and it's not why I watch the show, and it didn't use to be an issue. Now it is. Ugh.

I think it was a given, due to the format of the show, that the guys would be saving a lot of women in peril—especially since fanservice chicks were way comment. But now it's just, I don't know, the dynamic seems different to me. Plus there's a lot of "Whore! Bitch! Slut!" happening, and yeah, I get that they're talking about evil people who "just happen" to be women, but come on, it's all the damn time. :/

[curseangel.livejournal.com]

Same. I've never been into gore stuff - I hate it, it freaks me a lot (I'm really phobic about blood and cutting and that sort of thing... the razor blade scene in "It's the Great Pumpkin..." almost made me throw up). It's the reason I don't watch horror movies. Supernatural never used to be like that, and it bugs me. :\

Yeah, I know what you mean. Even when it's not the bad guys, or whatever, I see a lot of it. Particularly.. and I know this is wank-bait, but I see it in comparing Ruby to, say, Jo. I'll admit a bias here (I hate Ruby), but... Jo was a more "real" character; she had dreams and ambitions that had nothing to do with the boys, she was her own person. And they kicked her off the show, only to bring in Ruby who... well, she doesn't seem to have an existence, really, outside of the boys. She doesn't have her own purpose or passion aside from, apparently, "screw over the Winchesters and kill Lilith", the latter of which apparently she needs Sam to do for her. Her personality is almost a blank. She's the ultimate wish fulfillment, a character that any fangirl could have come up with or could put themselves in the place of, the "good" demon who screws the guy. She doesn't have enough individuality to "count" as her own person - which I think is the crucial thing there. On the other hand, Jo had her own personality and was undeniably an individual, a "real girl"... and the fangirls hated her, and got her kicked from the show for daring to show interest in a man.

I don't really know if that's more the fandom or the show's misogyny in action there, though. It can go both ways, since allegedly, it was Kripke's listening to the fans that got Jo kicked off the show. I do think the move from more individual, personally-driven females - Ellen and Jo - to women who need the boys more and don't particularly seem to have a life or any desires or ambitions outside of hanging around them - Ruby being the biggest example of this, but Bela also had a lot of that - is indicative of a shift more from.. respecting women as their own people to using them as props. :\

Apologies for the novel. xD;;; I put way too much thought into these things.

[rocknload.livejournal.com]

BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE IT I GUESS? I don't know. IT MAKES ME SAD.

[interstellar.livejournal.com]

Agreed. :/ I'm trying to ignore the questionable gender issues, but they're really not making it easy! *not a huge fan of wangst gore, either...*